internet explorer 7 and java

[help needed]

I had installed internet explorer 7 and it closed up a page which used java
script. I would like to know why did this happen?

[Allan]

Post by help needed
I had installed internet explorer 7 and it closed up a page which used java
script. I would like to know why did this happen?

If your security settings are correct (does it work on other webpages) then
the webpage you were displaying may contain an error. If this is a chronic
problem check your security settings in IE7 and any other privacy controls
or firewalls that you are using. You can enable script errors to display
under advanced settings. If possible contact the webmaster of the website
for more information and help.

[BSOD]

I think you had it right the first time with your post title, and Java is the
problem, not JavaScript. The current Java JRE by Sun is a disaster. I
actually use the JDK version which also has the JRE in it and it's one heck
of a buggy mess. The biggest problem is most people aren't going to realize
this is the cause of the problem since they don't know how to recognize when
something in a web page has triggered it and caused the JRE to fire up. When
it does fire up though you'll start having all kinds of strange problems like
IE closing out Windows, closing out Windows then opening a new Window up to
your home page, and even causing other applications on your system to either
not start up at all, not start up properly or just completely lock your
system up.

People are having problems with Java 6 in both Windows and Linux and the
only reason they aren't having problems with it in Firefox is because at the
time of this writting it won't even run at all with Firefox, you'll get an
update or error message from Firefox telling you there is not a compatable
version of it for Firefox or something like that.

The best thing to do is just completely uninstall the Java JRE 6 from your
system, or if your like me and absolutely have to have it because you have to
do some Java Programing and need the JDK then fall back to version 5 at the
newest for Vista, or version 4 for Linux. Your JavaScripts will still work
fine without the Java JRE installed, all this will affect is Java that's been
embedded in web pages which isn't all that common since it's so resource
intensive on the web server and desktop that many administrators don't like
using it. JavaScript and Java are not the same thing, confusing I know, but I
didn't name it.

Unless you uninstall it and leave it off your system the only other thing
I've found to get rid of it when it fires up in the background and not have
problems is to reboot your computer. WHih only works till something fires it
up again. Sun Microsystems don't seem to be in any hurry to fix it or even
ready to acknowledge just how buggy Java JRE 6 is.

[Donald Anadell]

Post by BSOD
I think you had it right the first time with your post title, and Java is the
problem, not JavaScript.

I don't think we can be sure of this without some further input from the OP.
A link to the site in question would help resolve whether the OP's issues
are with JavaScript or the Java Virtual Machine.

Post by BSOD
The current Java JRE by Sun is a disaster.

If you are refering to Sun Java JRE version 6 Update 1, I have yet to
experience any problems(as you've described them) with it in IE6 on Windows
XP SP2, IE7 on Windows XP SP2, or IE7 on Vista. I've yet to experience any
problems viewing Applets locally or on the web in IE6 or IE7 using this
version of the Sun Java Virtual Machine. No problems yet with web
applications in the Browser yet either using Sun's Virtual Machine, such as
the Java web Application here:
http://secunia.com/software_inspector

Post by BSOD
I
actually use the JDK version which also has the JRE in it and it's one heck
of a buggy mess.

I don't use the JDK, but rather the the JRE downloadable here:
Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 6u1
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

As stated above, I've yet to notice any "disasterous results" or "buggy
messes" in either IE6, IE7, Firefox, or Opera with JRE 6 installed.

Post by BSOD
The biggest problem is most people aren't going to realize
this is the cause of the problem since they don't know how to recognize when
something in a web page has triggered it and caused the JRE to fire up.

By default, folks should see an Icon appear in the System Tray||Notification
Area when the JRE is "fired up", unless they have removed the checkmark
under the Miscellaneous item on the Advanced tab of Control Panel Applet
entitled "Place Java icon in System tray".

Post by BSOD
When
it does fire up though you'll start having all kinds of strange problems like
IE closing out Windows, closing out Windows then opening a new Window up to
your home page, and even causing other applications on your system to either
not start up at all, not start up properly or just completely lock your
system up.

As stated previously, I've yet to experience any or these problems in either
IE6, IE7, Firefox, or Opera with JRE 6 Update 1 installed on either Widnows
XP SP2 or Vista.

Post by BSOD
People are having problems with Java 6 in both Windows and Linux and the
only reason they aren't having problems with it in Firefox is because at the
time of this writting it won't even run at all with Firefox, you'll get an
update or error message from Firefox telling you there is not a compatable
version of it for Firefox or something like that.

Hummm....Just checked my Firefox Browser "about:plugins", and all Sun Java 6
plugins are loaded and enabled. No compatibility warnings here from Firefox
with regard to Sun Java JRE 6. I navigated to the following site with
Firefox:
http://secunia.com/software_inspector
No problem with the Java web Application at that site running in the Browser
using Firefox with Sun Java JRE 6 installed.

Post by BSOD
The best thing to do is just completely uninstall the Java JRE 6 from your
system, or if your like me and absolutely have to have it because you have to
do some Java Programing and need the JDK then fall back to version 5 at the
newest for Vista, or version 4 for Linux.

I don't know what caused your problems with JRE 6 Udate 1 installation, but
those problems are not universal in nature. As stated above, I'm not
having any problems with JRE 6 Update 1 in IE6, IE7, Firefox, or Opera. So
I don't think advising folks that the "Best" thing to do is uninstall JRE 6
is necessarily the "Best" advise to offer the OP, at this point we don't
even know for sure if the OP's problem is with JavaScript or the Virtual
Machine itself.

Post by BSOD
Your JavaScripts will still work
fine without the Java JRE installed, all this will affect is Java that's been
embedded in web pages which isn't all that common since it's so resource
intensive on the web server and desktop that many administrators don't like
using it. JavaScript and Java are not the same thing, confusing I know, but I
didn't name it.
Unless you uninstall it and leave it off your system the only other thing
I've found to get rid of it when it fires up in the background and not have
problems is to reboot your computer. WHih only works till something fires it
up again. Sun Microsystems don't seem to be in any hurry to fix it or even
ready to acknowledge just how buggy Java JRE 6 is.

Sorry that your experience with this latest JRE 6 was an unpleasant
experience, but I've no reason (from my experiences with it) to agree with
your statement that Sun Java's JRE 6 is a "buggy" version.

There are known issues and bugs reported in the Release notes posted here:
http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/

But as far as it causing problems as you've described here, I have
experienced any such anomalies.

Good luck,

Donald Anadell

[BSOD]

It has been reported, the update doesn't seem to solve the problems, just
makes them slightly less noticeable. It's in the JRE 1.6 version which is
refered to as JRE 6, which is the same JRE that's included in the JDK. Do a
search rather than just telling us youur own thoughts on the matter.

The biggest problem is when the problems start turning up most people aren't
even aware the JRE 6 is running, it does not always show up in the task tray
regardless of what you have checked or unchecked. You will see it's running
though when you open up your task manager and look at the currently running
processes.

The problem is probably more so directly related to how it handles specific
class files, some it seems to tolerate, others cause huge problems. It seems
to be dependant on what is being imported into the specific class files that
the JRE is running. The details of this are difficult to identify since once
compiled the class files are in binary and you can't see the specific source
code to identify what a particular aplett is importing specificly.

There are however definate and absolute issues with some code when the JRE 6
executes it. Spend all day dealing with Java code and you'll not be able to
help but identify and see the problems with it.

[Donald Anadell]

Post by BSOD
It has been reported, the update doesn't seem to solve the problems, just
makes them slightly less noticeable. It's in the JRE 1.6 version which is
refered to as JRE 6, which is the same JRE that's included in the JDK. Do a
search rather than just telling us youur own thoughts on the matter.

Hi,

My reply to you was not based on random thoughts on the issue, but rather
based on my experiences with the JRE on two Windows operating systems and
four different browsers. I have the latest Sun JRE (Version 1.6.0[build
1.6.0_01-b06]) installed on three machines here, and I've tested numerous
Applets and Applications with this version of the Sun Virtual Machine on
those three machines to include IE6, IE7, Firefox, and Opera Browsers. And
in that process I've yet to have any of the above mentioned Browsers
malfunction with Sun JRE (Version 1.6.0[build 1.6.0_01-b06]).

I don't use Linux so I'm unable to offer any "thoughts" or empirical
evidence one way or the other as to that operating system.

If you point me to a java applet or application on the web that is giving
you trouble I'd be happy to try and replicate the problem you are having.

Post by BSOD
The biggest problem is when the problems start turning up most people aren't
even aware the JRE 6 is running, it does not always show up in the task tray
regardless of what you have checked or unchecked. You will see it's running
though when you open up your task manager and look at the currently running
processes.

Since this is an IE news group, let's stick to how the JRE functions on
Windows with either IE6 or IE7.

With Sun JRE (Version 1.6.0[build 1.6.0_01-b06]) installed, when you start
the IE browser, SSHelper Class(BHO) ssv.dll and Sun Java Console(Browser
Extension) ssv.dll are loaded with the Browser. You can see this using by
using Manage Add-ons. When you actually open an Applet or Web Application
in the Browser, Web Browser Applet Control(ActiveX Control) ssv.dll is
loaded in the Browser and the Java Icon should appear in the System tray.
This ActiveX control will stay loaded in the Browser window until that
window is closed. The BHO(Browser Helper Object), Browser Extension, and
ActiveX Control all use ssv.dll and you should see all three in Manage
Add-ons if you have an Applet open in the Browser.

You should not be seeing anything relating ssv.dll in the Task Manager, so I
don't know what you are seeing in the Task Manager with regard to the JRE.

Firefox of course does not use the ActiveX Control, but rather uses a
Plug-in for it that is installed by the JRE.

Opera does not use the ActiveX Control or a Plug-in, but rather uses the
JRE directly since version 4.

Post by BSOD
The problem is probably more so directly related to how it handles specific
class files, some it seems to tolerate, others cause huge problems. It seems
to be dependant on what is being imported into the specific class files that
the JRE is running. The details of this are difficult to identify since once
compiled the class files are in binary and you can't see the specific source
code to identify what a particular aplett is importing specificly.

If you are having difficulty with a particular class file, perhaps you need
to contact the Author and see if a new version has been compiled that will
work with Sun JRE (Version 1.6.0[build 1.6.0_01-b06]) installed ?

Post by BSOD
There are however definate and absolute issues with some code when the JRE 6
executes it. Spend all day dealing with Java code and you'll not be able to
help but identify and see the problems with it.

I don't write Java Applets so my knowledge of the code itself is close to
nill, but I am pretty knowledgable on how the JRE functions with regard to
the three Browsers mentioned above(IE,Firefox, and Opera). And my
experiences with those Browsers in conjuction with Sun JRE (Version
1.6.0[build 1.6.0_01-b06]) have so far proven to be positive.

Sorry I wasn't able to help you with this issue.

By the way, since you did not reply to my answer under your other thread
about Sound in the IE7 Browser, was that answer of any value to you?

Good luck,

Donald Anadell

[Robert Aldwinckle]

Post by BSOD
It has been reported, the update doesn't seem to solve the problems, just
makes them slightly less noticeable. It's in the JRE 1.6 version which is
refered to as JRE 6, which is the same JRE that's included in the JDK.
Do a search rather than just telling us your own thoughts on the matter.

Do a search with what? The OP's problem description *is* vague.
Therefore Donald's point about wanting more details is valid.

Evidently you want to hijack this thread for your own purposes,
based on an ambiguous Subject. Why not start your own thread instead?
Oh. I see that you already have. Then why not advertise that explicitly? news:121CFA7D-8707-48DD-94A8-***@microsoft.com
Subject: Having Problems With IE7? Read This
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:11:01 -0700


FWIW I agree that a Java runtime (_if_ one is involved) could cause
symptoms similar to what the OP may have been trying to describe.
E.g. if the runtime is prevented from creating an obvious crash report
but still handling abends, an abort by the runtime's error handler
could have the alternate effect of just making an IE window "close".

I would also agree that the fact that Sun may be maintaining other equally
useful but less obvious diagnostics does not mitigate that that alternative
makes IE appear to be at fault for something that the JRE is causing. ; ]


However, if the OP ever comes back here and tells us that really
what was meant by Java (in the Subject line) and "Java script"
(in the post) was really _Javascript_ this discussion is going
to look rather odd IMO. <eg>


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